87: Achieving Your Dreams Beyond Midlife with Esther Zeledon

Welcome to the Dear Menopause podcast, where we discuss the menopause transition to help make everyday life a little easier for women. Hey, this is Sonya, and I am your host of Dear Menopause. Today I have an episode perfectly timed for the start of a new year. We are having a conversation with my very good friend, Esther Zeledon, and we are talking about what happens when a woman in her midlife years starts to question the goals she never achieved and the dreams she didn't follow. I hope you find some inspiration in today's episode Esther. welcome to Dear Menopause.

I am so excited to be here.

I am so excited to be chatting with you for a podcast because you are on a chat on a very regular basis. We're very good friends, even though we live on completely opposite sides of the world, but we're recording a podcast today, so this is super exciting.

I am so excited. This is going to be awesome.

All right, let's go. Esther, why don't you tell everyone that's listening a little bit about who you are?

Oh, that's a hard one. Come on, tell about who I am. So I like to introduce myself in the sense of, like I am in the business of impacting lives. So I am. My business is Be Act Change. It's like a movement and a business and it's really about helping people really obtain those dreams. So, like 92% of people give up on their dreams it's just crazy, insane. Yeah, only 8. It's a high statistic. It's crazy. Only 8% of people actually go through with it. And the thing is like it's hard for us to believe it because we're like, well, wait, there's all these people with these titles and these you know, these jobs and everything, but that's not their dream dream, you know. And the dream dream like people's actual dream dream only 8% of people. So for me, that's huge and I really think that if people can actually go after the dreams, live them, you know, and actually stick to them, the world would be a better place, Like I think actually like a little bit less anxiety, less depression, less terrorism. Everything for me is like rooted in that. So that is how I created my company and business. But you know I'm more than my company. You know I'm also a mother of two kids. You know I have a married to like my life partner, which is amazing. You know I am divorced, though, before. So second try is where I found my life partner, and I'm also Latina. I'm an immigrant, like immigrated to United States when I was small and I also bootstrapped my way up, so you know, like I grew up with no money, paycheck to paycheck, you know, and did all that climbing the ladder, figuring it out, hustling, until I got to where I am.

Yeah, and I think this is why you and I are such good friends, because you inspire me so much. When we talk, we have the most incredible, robust conversations, which I just enjoy immensely. But you, like me, you have such a kind of broad background. Like you have experience in so many areas, you have so much lived experience, and I love how you have channeled all of that into what you're doing today. So let's talk about your book. You recently, this year achieved one of your dreams, which was to publish your first book.

Yes, yes. So my book. It's called Creating your Limitless Life and it has crossed out on it chasing the American dream Now, and I mean the American dream, not just about the United States. So actually, you know, like my I actually said I have a lot of experience, right, even my previous life, I was an international diplomat and actually the American dream was a concept that I saw worldwide and all continents. Right, it's the whole thing of like I'm going to leave my country or my neighborhood or wherever I'm at. I don't have to be moving across the ocean to find something better and make my life better and also achieve certain check marks by fixed time, you know fixed age and all those things. And so I challenged that, because when we're chasing things like fixed time, you know fixed timelines and age and all that stuff right, we're limiting ourselves because we all have our own path, we all have our own life experiences. Things happen, right, we all have these crazy things and we also have crazy dreams, right, and we have aspirations. And by limiting it to like this, this American dream, like you know, only these five things are going to make you happy, and those are worldwide. You know universal concepts, right, buying a house, or having this fixed job with a title, or getting married by X age and having X kids, then if you want to take a different path, where you feel like something's wrong with you or why didn't you have it by this age, or if you're, this age is too late for you, right? And so I challenged a lot of those narratives in the book that there isn't a time, there isn't an age and there isn't like a check mark dream. Your dream is uniquely yours and your dream has always been your dream and that's what makes you amazing and you have this amazing gift to give to this world. And so don't like, let all that go right, let go of all those limitations. You know you are limitless. You can give that out, you can have your dreams, you can have everything, but you have to believe that you can and you have to let go of those limiting factors and go after it. So, yes, my book's like one part, my story which honestly, at first I didn't want to include it, and then the second part, my formula. You know, and how, like you, how do you discover your purpose? How do you discover that mission vision? You know more than just like why it's important, but really that you can read it and actually figure out and how to do it. Like, really, by reading it I get that clarity. And then how do you keep it going? Right, because so many of us, even when we discover it and we know it, we fall into that. You know, it's that statistic because we give up on it. Right, because people of either from negative, from other people telling us that it's unrealistic, or ourselves, right, other ourselves it gets something happens and then we're like, oh no, that's a sign that I just got to give up. So it's like the big piece of it is also like that resilience, so you can keep it going. And then I also have a workbook which has all the exercising in more detail, right? So if you read it and you're like, well, I want to dig deeper or I still need to like dig more into that and do more exercise, and I really want to like plan it out and make it happen now, well, that's the workbook for you, right? The workbook is like, okay, dig more deep, plan it out. You know, because I really want to see people make this happen. You know, as, like a kid, books were like my sanctuary. You know, like, my parents didn't buy me books. I didn't go to bookstores, right, I didn't have that luxury and there was no pre-internet. So we went to bookstores, I mean to libraries, and in libraries, like you know, I would read about people doing amazing things and traveling and their autobiographies and their how-to and I would study these people and that's how I ended up climbing and doing different things by following their steps, and so I wanted my book to be. That was part of my missing legacy, right, I'm like I know this. I had this gift. I wanted to be available worldwide and accessible to everyone, right? So it doesn't matter like your financial situation or where you are in the world. Right, you can download the book and workbook, you know, for 99 cents, you have it and you can do it yourself so that everyone in the world has it. So, yeah, so I'm super excited it's out. It's out there for the world, you know, and scary and exciting, and yeah.

And I'm incredibly proud of you for achieving that goal, because we became friends right at the very beginning of the writing process for you. So I kind of feel like I was along the journey with you of the ups and the downs and the hard parts and the frustrating parts, and but also and we were having a conversation before we started recording this about celebrating wins, because, as a high achiever like yourself and like a lot of the people that you work with, I forget to stop and celebrate the wins along the way, and it's one of the things that you are really good at and I know along your book writing process, you know there were little achievements, little wins along the way, when you were always so good at acknowledging those and celebrating them, and I think that's so important. And I want to spin this conversation into an angle that's relevant to the people that will be listening to my podcast, predominantly women that are 40 plus, and I think there's a couple of themes here that we can really run with and I'd like to kind of have a conversation with you about. So, if we start with the you know, chasing our dreams kind of scenario, so you know, midlife for many is an opportunity to really do what I kind of call and I've heard other people call it a life audit. It's like this opportunity to sit back and go. Okay. So if this is my midlife, I've got a whole other half of my life to live, even though society wants to tell me that I'm aging and I'm getting old. But we know that actually we've still got many years ahead of us. But what are the things that I thought I would have achieved by now? Or those dreams that we, kind of you know, had maybe when we were younger and felt idealistic, but actually deep down we'd still like to achieve? So I'd love to kind of unpack with you what it is in our psyche that does hold us back, at self-limiting kind of barriers and beliefs, from chasing and achieving some of those dreams.

No, absolutely. And this is very common, I think, as you mentioned, with the people I work with and even something that I went through myself. Right, you know, I transitioned out of my traditional pension job into entrepreneurship, into chasing my own dream, and the thing is it's hard because we have built our lives right. So a society like you said tells us that we're already old or we're back to that American dream thing, that these are the checkmarks you should have and now you should be happy. So part of it is guilt that you're like well, I should be happy, I have all these checkmarks. Why do I want more? Why I feel so that I'm being so ungrateful. So first there's those feelings right, and sometimes our families end up magnifying that even more because they're like wait, but you have the family or you have your friends, like, why do you feel this way? Or we constantly want to give people those solutions, like, no, but look what everything you have, instead of actually listening to the person and being like hey, let's unpack that together. What would you like to do? What do you aspire to do? And then the second part is like fear of losing everything we've built right. We've spent so much time building what our life is right now, whether it's in our profession, whether it's in our personal life, that the thought of chasing our dream well one, our dream feels really far and stretched from where we are today, so it feels kind of unattainable. And then the second part is that, since it feels so far and stretched from us in every way, we're like wait, I can't go after it because that means I have to dismantle everything that I have today. And then, if I do that, what if I end up without nothing? What if I end up being broke? What if I end up hurting my family or the people around me, or I disappoint everyone? And so we start to get scared. And then we start to want to, like, resort back to our safety, which is our safety is like what we can control right now, where we are right now, and we're like well, I can control this, I know this is safe, so this is where I'm gonna stay, and so I don't want to look there and I don't want to touch that. But the thing is, it's actually a lot more aligned than we actually think, because we, our purpose, our gift, where we want to call it, our inner compass, has always been there in some way and like, our unique way of solving problems is unique to us and we have constantly throughout our lives been looking for spots on how to deliver our gift in different circumstances. It may mean that in a job we may have only done that 10, 15% of the time, maybe in our personal life maybe 50%, but it's always kind of been there and we've always been doing it a little bit right. And so this chasing our dream is really just aligning it a bit more and doing it more frequently, but I think so in our minds we feel it so, like, so far off, but it's really not. And so a lot of the exercises my help people do is like really unpacking what is the legacy you want to leave in the world. I think you talked about it your life audit, like really doing the audit of, like, what is the impact I've left today? What is the impact I feel that I have left to give. Then thinking about like, what's your uniqueness and how you solve problems. We can do like a cool little exercise here on that like to give people some awakening of like what is that? What is my unique? How, how do I solve problems? Like, what's my flavor? How do I appear in this world. And once you know that right, then you can be like oh, okay, so I need to do these shifts on things that I want to be sought out for and also the shifts on what I don't want to be sought out for anymore, and then fill in those gaps, right, we're just filling in little deficits that maybe we need to do to get closer and closer to our dream. We also overestimate what we can do in one year and underestimate we can do in five. You know like in five you can dramatically change your life. And you know, as you mentioned right we talk all the time Like we have seen with each other how much our lives have changed in just a short time by living in alignment, right, and how much progress you make when you're actually living in and being intentional about it. Progress is huge, but it's like working at it every day, celebrating along the way and mapping it out. You know it's like five years seems so long, but it's not. We still have half our lives to live, so much ahead of us. Five years is nothing compared to that. It's a drop in the bucket and you can do it in such a way that it's not so like okay, today I'm this and tomorrow I'm this, which is what people think Like, oh, that's it, I got to drastically change. No, you could do tiny little steps along the way, or to graduate, you can also start talking to people, set new expectations with family and friends, everything around us that guess what. You slowly transition everybody in a year and then in two years you're already living it, and then in three you're already acting on it, then in a way that it's smooth, so you're not losing it all, you're not scaring everyone.

Like all those fears.

There's a whole plan that you can do to counteract all of that.

I think that's really important to kind of dwell on for a moment is that when we do think about making change in our lives, whether it is career related or relationship related, or wanting to move to a different location we think that we need to make those changes quickly and they'll happen overnight. But yeah, when you actually sit with it and think, well, in the next five years I would like to have moved to another part of the country, or I'd like to have moved out of the city and be living in a nice little farmhouse in the country with my chickens and my horses, and that becomes achievable when we do break it down over a longer period of time. Rather than thinking getting into that place of and I think this is something that I am definitely someone that does this is I go, I want it to change and I want it to change now, and then it can't change now. So therefore, that's not going to happen.

Exactly. And the thing is like and that's where a lot of us get paralyzed and the thing is like, even just doing those little changes a day, you already start to feel better because you're moving in that direction. And I think that's what we forget is that, just by taking those little steps and like marking our progress and looking over going, you're already feeling better, you're already feeling in that alignment. And so I think we always think like, well, it's only at the destination where I want to feel amazing, that's not true. Just the fact that you're making that plan and moving towards it, you're already like feeling so much better and at ease, like and I know in my case, like I used to suffer so much like from anxiety, like high functioning anxiety all the time in my last job, because it wasn't in alignment with me and sure, I delivered and I worked well and I had all the check marks. But I had that and it was when I slowly started to change right, even just taking the steps, I was so much more calm because, man, I'm already changing. I'm already like bringing a new part of myself every day. I'm already moving towards a path that's like my own choosing.

Yeah, yeah, I like that, and I think we can also relate this to another topic that I talk about a lot on this podcast and in my life in general is this is an opportunity, in midlife as well, to really look at your health and your fitness and making changes now that will set you up to be as healthy as you can be in your longevity, so when the life is that you have ahead of you, so that, as long as you live your way, as healthy as you possibly can be and this is a prime opportunity to do that. And I think that, yeah, when we talk about a lot of women or a lot of people think, well, if I'm gonna change, if I'm gonna get fit and I'm gonna get healthy, that it has to happen really quickly and I need to change everything all at once. But when we do extrapolate it out over, like you say, even if we look at five years but it's five years that is going to impact the next 40 years- Exactly exactly like that and I think, actually, like you know, actually we can go back to like you helped me so much you know, because I was going through, you know, these perimenopause synthesis and you know we changed, right, my diet to more protein and that changed my life.

You know, after that I was like, wow, like there's, there's foods that I can eat, that are easy, that that I can start incorporating my day to day and now, like, those foods are part of my everyday diet. Right, and it's been like a year and it takes some times to make the, to take some, to take some time to create those habits, but they happen and now it's just part of my routine. And it's like the same, when you start going after, right, what you want it, just as you start working on it every day for an hour, it becomes who you are and then you're like, ah, I am this person. And then, if you own that, are that person, then you believe you are that person and then you start living like that person. Right, but it all starts with like intentionality and as, like, you start finding that alignment, you I saw, I really see like this correlation with health and wellness, because then you start realizing, wait, I'm calmer, I feel better. And then you're like, wait, I do want to live longer, wait, I still have so much to look forward to and they like incentivizes you to actually focus more on the other things, because you're like, wait, what if I start doing this? Oh, I want, I want to be here for this, I want to have that impact. You know there's because I've seen so many like I've even like family members are friends that are like, well, this is all there is to life. It's almost like they give up on all of it, because they feel like, well, this is just where I am, and so I don't know if I want to live like another 50 years, because you know 4030, whatever it is, and and I'm like, no, but when you're in alignment, you want to keep living. Because you're like I want this impact, I want to be moving around, I want to have this health is longevity and know all the secrets and work on myself, because then you realize you do deserve it and you're giving yourself permission right to work on yourself, to to believe it and to live it.

Yeah, and if we take that, like you know, working on your health and fitness, when you do make changes and you feel better, it puts you in a position where you can also feel more confident about chasing some of those dreams that you might have. You know that we started talking about the. You know, do you want to change your job? Do you want to go and climb a mountain? You know, has a marathon always been on your goal list and you've never yet done it? Yeah, you know, I had a great guest on recently who ran her first marathon in her fifties and then she went on to do a triathlon. You know, I just watched the movie Niaid about Diana Niaid, who completed her swim from Cuba to Florida, florida, florida at 64. Like you know, we still have so much potential and it's a shame if people allow their self limitations to hold them back from that.

No, absolutely. I mean, we can read about all the time. I think it was like Vera Wang right started her company and her 40. Like I was reading all about this. Or even like Colonel Sanders, right from KFC I think he was in his late fifties, right, there's like there's that's what I mean about. Like that, you know, that whole, that's what for me, that whole fixed mindset and timelines right of the American general. Always I exit out because maybe it's whenever you feel ready to go after it. You know, when you're give yourself, free yourself from all those limitations. Doesn't matter what age you are. You know, I've I've worked with people in their 70s and I'm like amazing, yes, you know you want to go after, let's do it. You know it's never too late and I love what you said because it's true, right, you can start with little, with with fitness and all that, and then you see that you're reaching these goals. You know that you can do it. You can do it for your life as well.

Yeah, I love that. Now you mentioned an exercise that we can perhaps run through. That might be really helpful for anyone that's listening to want to do that.

Yeah, let's do that. I'm gonna do that with you, sonia, you ready.

Okay, I apologize to anyone listening that hears things that they weren't expecting.

Yeah. So if you could, Sonia, if you could solve one global problem in the world, what would that be?

Well, okay, let's start with a small question Right now world peace.

Okay, okay, and now you know what. The G seven loved your answer. Okay, they flown you to Geneva. They're like Sonia. I loved your answer on world peace, but I want to give you two to $5 billion to do it. How are you going to solve world peace?

Okay, well, the first thing I'm going to do is find the most qualified and expert people that can actually do it for me, because I know that I can't do that. So I would use a, you know, a chunk of that money to connect with the people that could make the change and create a working group.

Okay, and then from there.

We would have to look at. So Word piece is obviously very broad. So right now we'd probably be looking at trying to resolve what's happening in the Middle East. We would be looking at Ukraine and Russia. We would be looking at human rights in China. So I'd break it down into bite-sized projects. I guess that can actually all then work together to resolve that bigger goal.

Amazing. So, sonia, when you think about your process that you're like I would bring experts in, you know and then break it down, do you use the same process in your personal life? Yeah, I do. Actually, that's really interesting. When you did it, I thought about this podcast. Yeah, so that's your how, and so your how is so unique to you? Right, that is how you like to show up to the world. That is how you solve problems. That is how, when a problem's in front of you, that's the steps you take. You know that is your value at. You know how to bring experts together. You know how to break things down by themes and bite-sized projects. You know how to make it happen. You know how to get these people together and think about these themes, right, and share it with the world. And you do that in all your spaces, right, and so imagine like and so when I tell people it's like, you know, people will tell me I'm so afraid of pivoting. You know what I mean. Like I've never done that. You know I've never done this. I can't do that because I'm only known for X. You know like, even in my case, right. Like you know, in international development, you know people when I was going to entrepreneurship. They're like you can't do that you don't have even though I have a PhD. They're like you don't have an MBA, you've never done social media. But my how is very entrepreneur. You know. My how is about building community. My how is about always, like you know, helping people discover right. That's what there is, that's unique about them and that is my value. So, in the end, right, I used my how to pivot right and I realized that my how I've used in all my spaces and all the jobs I carry, and that's you. That's true for everyone. Everyone's listening. That's true for you. So that how that you described to me. I would love for you to go back in time and think have I been doing this my whole life, this approach, and you're going to realize you have right and so your whole, like you know. Imagine if someone wanted to change careers right, that that was their dream, their resume, their CV. They can reorder it to be about their how, you know and show that they've been doing that older spaces, and then I'm going to bring this to your new company or to your new thing, or to build my new thing. I'm going to use my how right. And so I love this exercise because it helps break that belief that we have that if we've only worked in the same job for 30 years, we can't do anything else. That's not true, because your how you've been doing your whole life, and so if you want to pivot, just somebody needs your how, somebody in this world needs it and in some space, and it helps you filter it, because there's going to be places that need your how more than other places. So, even when you're thinking about pivoting, who's going to value it the most? Who's going to appreciate it the most? Who needs it the most? You know, and that helps you like, be like hot. This is the spaces I'm going to be value and needed and and and appreciated, right, so, listeners out there, write it down, you know, and go through your life hey, have I been doing this? And then, if you get stuck, another exercise you could do is text like five of your friends, like really close friends, like your champions that know you, and be like why are you my friend, what impact have I made in your life, and how, and you're going to see that that how is going to match a lot of this how, but, but give you. It's going to even give you even more information that you didn't know, and you're going to be like, wow, I didn't even know, I did that. You're that, I did that, wow, and I did it like that, wow, and it gives you more insight and to be like, wow, that's, that is crazy, that is my uniqueness, right. And so imagine if then you take that and then you use that to go after your big dreams, there's no one stopping you. Yeah, you are limitless. Yes, we all are, you know it's and and we're all unique. But you know, we try to like pinch and roll ourselves, but no, yeah, that is so cool.

I love that process so much and I love that alongside your book you've got that workbook so that anybody can run through. I haven't looked at the workbook, but I'm sure that it's just jam-packed full of processes and helpful exercises that can really get you out of that place of thinking like we've talked about. I can't be that person, I can't go achieve that thing to actually the realization that you can and you already innately know what you need to do. You're just not seeing it right now.

Yes, yes. And then I wanted to also add that another key part is another exercise just to leave the listeners with you talk a lot about in your podcast is resilience, right, and one key other exercise is we see a lot of on social media where people being like this is what you need to do to keep going right, and this is like the cookie cutter thing that everyone needs to do to keep resilient. And what I've loved is that you're like no, there is not one size approach, right, but resilience is important. And so one exercise I can leave the listeners with as well is when you think about your resilience right. We always think about, like when we hit rock bottom, what we're going to do to get out of rock bottom. But one of the things that I have in the workbook is, instead of that approach is think about what you've overcome in your life, right, so we've all overcome stuff, right. So, like I've overcome depression I think I mentioned massive anxiety, right, and also like I've stayed in things too long when I should get up, and so I have a list, but now I'll make a list of all the things that helped you overcome those things, right, because what you overcome, you keep overcoming and it's repeated multiple times in your life and you've used the same approach to get out of rock bottom every time. So instead of using it when you hit rock bottom right, what I challenge in the workbook and I have this calendar is like take everything that's worked for you and make it into digestible daily practices, because that way you are constantly preventing hitting rock bottom. So when something tough happens, you've already been practicing that toolkit every single day. It's kind of what we're saying about like those habit things. Right, you're ready to have it forming your resilience toolkit every day, so you're not going to hit rock bottom. It doesn't mean you're. You might not have a rough couple of days. You know, I had a rough couple of days, you know, like on my birthday but you get out of it so much quicker because you already have it in your day to day schedule. Your toolkit, whatever helps you, whether it's, you know, reading an inspirational book or, like for me, it's my reading my testimonials. Every morning I spend five minutes at least reading five. So I need that positive mindset and whatever it is right bite size amounts. So that way let's let's stop hitting rock bottom. We don't need to hit rock bottom anymore. We can put this in our daily practices and by doing that as well, we actually avoid getting in those situations. To begin with, right, because we're now a lot more aware of what we're feeling, what we're doing in those situations, so that when they come, we're like, oh wait, wait, wait, wait, I know this, I know this. No, right, and you avoid even that happening to you, and so that is a huge part of it, so that you don't give up, right, so you keep it going and yeah, yeah.

I love that and these, and what I love so much is that these are strategies and daily practices that it doesn't matter when you start them, you know. You don't have to have started these when you were in your teens or your twenties. You can start these at any point and make a significant impact on the life ahead of you.

Yes, and it just it only takes like a month. Once you know your patterns and you start incorporating, within a month you're already like, oh, wow, like, why wasn't I always doing this? Why was I waiting till rock bottom? You know, I feel better every day. Yeah, and it's like I said, any age, any time, and what I love about it is that it's unique to you, right? There's no toolkit that's the same for each person, because it's not a one size fits all. It's what works for you.

Yeah, amazing. This has been such a great conversation and I really feel like our list is going to take away some really practical strategies that they can start implementing themselves. But I also hope that anyone that is really interested in learning more about what you do and the special magic that you bring into the world will go out and buy your book. I'll put the links through in the show notes. Grab the workbook as well, and I I love chat so much. All right, I'm going to ask you one question and I forgot to prep you for this, so I know you listen to the podcast, so you're going to be ready for this question. What are you listening to, reading or watching right now? That is bringing you joy.

I love that question. So I'm actually reading self made by Nelly Galan. I've been like I've put it down and put it up, put it down, but I love it because it's it's given me so much growth in my mind, like there's this. I'm going to share one segment of it, of her book she talks about there's no Prince Charming. But the thing is, I had always thought about that question, about men and relationships. But she talks about it as your job, as your professional life, and that hit me so hard because the thing is we're always waiting for someone to appreciate, someone, to acknowledge us, to someone to realize our potential and all of a sudden we're going to boom and explode. Or even, when it comes to book, that someone's just going to magically discover my book and make it big. But she it's. What's great about that is it says there, there is no Prince Charming. You are your own Prince Charming and you need to go, put yourself in front of those people. You, if you want something, you have to go after it, and there's not someone who's going to magically notice you. You have to be loud. And that, for me, has been so inspirational because I never had thought about it in terms of my professional life or even my business, and it also helps you stop like thinking about comparison or where you are or anything Cause then you realize, wow, you got to make things happen for yourself and all those people that you see things happen for them. They're out there seeking it. You know what I mean. And then if you want something, go after it. So that's, that's been my latest.

I like that self made by Nelly.

Galan, so G A L A N yeah.

I've really liked it Beautiful. I will link through to that in the show notes as well, because that sounds like a really, really good book to have on your on your bedside table. Yeah, it's great, amazing. Esther. Thank you so much for your time today. I've loved having a chat with you that is completely different to our normal chats Much more structured but I'm also really excited to bring your special, unique skills out into the ears of everyone that's listening, because you are a incredibly impactful woman and I'm so grateful to have you in my life. Thank you for listening today. I am so grateful to have these conversations with incredible women and experts and I'm grateful that you chose to hit play on this episode of dare men a pause. If you have a minute of time today, please leave a rating or a review. I would love to hear from you, because you are my biggest driver for doing this work. If this chat went way too fast for you and you want more, head over to stellarwomencomau slash podcast for the show notes and, while you're there, take my midlife quiz to see why it feels like midlife is messing with your head.